64,000 Dollar Subaru.

"HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles" (hondasfordsvolvo) 01/21/2020 at 19:02 • Filed to: None

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Did you guys know that for the 2020 model year is a limited edition STI called the s209 which will have an MSRP of 63,999. That without destination fees. I hadn’t heard of it until I saw this listing a dealership posted advertising that they had one in stock.

I had no idea what an s209 was so I looked it up. This is from Subaru’s website. I about shit myself when I saw the price, and I have to image dealerships will tack on another 20k for the fun of it.

So what does the extra cash get you? 345hp an increase of 40hp from a bigger turbo, some chassis stiffening, lower offset, lighter BBS wheels, and different suspension tuning. Grippier brake pads, and special Dunlap tires. Along with .fender flares that are about an inch wider than the stock STI flares. And a bigger WING. There’s a much much longer summery on car and driver. Basically it already has every mod that an STI at autocross or a track day might have.

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Hi What’s really funny tho, is that is ultimate, beefed up, limited edition STI, still looks more subtle  than a Civic Type R.

Highlander-Datsuns are Forever > HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles 01/21/2020 at 19:33

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If I had too much money I'd buy one.

JawzX2, Boost Addict. 1.6t, 2.7tt, 4.2t > HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles 01/21/2020 at 19:36

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Are they really selling the S209 with the CVT -sorry, “Sport Lineartronic” ?? WTF. Or is this the reverse of usual and t he car is actually a manual and listed as Automatic?

Nom De Plume > HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles 01/21/2020 at 19:40

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gettingoldercarguy > HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles 01/21/2020 at 19:40

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It’s a fantastic send off for the ej engine.

HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles > JawzX2, Boost Addict. 1.6t, 2.7tt, 4.2t 01/21/2020 at 19:41

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Not sure. I’m guessing it’s just listed wrong. The CnD article didn’t mention anything about an auto option, but say that their test car was manual.

HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles > Highlander-Datsuns are Forever 01/21/2020 at 19:43

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Thing is it’s 20 grand for like 5-10 k in mods . It’s not like there isn’t a good aftermarket for STIs.

Altho just a set of BBS wheels  like that are probably 3 or 4 grand my then selves.

arl > HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles 01/21/2020 at 19:54

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Is that in Yen? Crack pipe pricing right there. 

dogisbadob > HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles 01/21/2020 at 19:54

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CP

shitty Subaru named after a Mustang or Mercedes

They should make an Ascent STi with a twin-turbo H6

Wacko > JawzX2, Boost Addict. 1.6t, 2.7tt, 4.2t 01/21/2020 at 20:07

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All the specs on the net only mention 6 speed manual as transmission.

M.T. Blake > HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles 01/21/2020 at 20:07

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Guaranteed future classic. 

HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles > dogisbadob 01/21/2020 at 20:08

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There better be a crosstreck, and Forester STI first. Or at least WRX. 

HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles > M.T. Blake 01/21/2020 at 20:11

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I’m sure at lest half the buyer will set them in garages and put less than 1000 miles a year on them hoping they will be worth bananas money in 20 years when the AI cars take over. 

AestheticsInMotion > HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles 01/21/2020 at 20:14

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Lol. That's nsx money 

HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles > AestheticsInMotion 01/21/2020 at 20:27

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Yeah, there’s a few things I’d go buy before I bought that. Like a Long Beach Blue M2 Competition with 5k in options. Heated steering wheel , and a carbon fiber front splitter to name a few. 

AestheticsInMotion > HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles 01/21/2020 at 20:32

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M2 ws my first thought too

The Crazy Kanuck; RIP Oppositelock > HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles 01/21/2020 at 20:36

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It’s built in STi’s own motorsports facility , the VIN & all is STi. Before it receives the VIN on Subaru line, it gets send to STi. They do their stuff to it, & give it VIN on their line. Only 2-3 S209's leave the line every day. So technically speaking it’s a STI, not a Subaru.   Jalopnik did an article on it explaining it.

https://jalopnik.com/why-the-2019-subaru-sti-s209-is-a-pain-to-even-sell-in-1838499631

Sovande > HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles 01/21/2020 at 20:43

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An d only slightly worse fuel economy than a Chevy Suburban.

imadick > AestheticsInMotion 01/21/2020 at 20:55

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That’s a ton of vape juice money...

HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles > Sovande 01/21/2020 at 20:55

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Except a Suburban doesn’t need 91. 

DipodomysDeserti > HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles 01/21/2020 at 21:01

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Sure about that? My dad had the 6.0L in his Silverado and it required 91.

DipodomysDeserti > HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles 01/21/2020 at 21:02

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I’m pretty sure they are actually being manufactured by STI as well. They aren’t Subarus with an STI badge slapped on.

Doge_Supreme drives a BRZ > HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles 01/21/2020 at 21:03

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Would rather have the S402. At least the S209 looks better that the S201.

MoistyUnicorns > HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles 01/21/2020 at 21:07

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Believe it or not, it’s a 2019, not a 2020. It is also a manual transmission, not a CVT.

kazini > HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles 01/21/2020 at 21:08

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99% sure it was listed with a manual and a short throw iirc, for  obvious reasons.

TheTurbochargedSquirrel > JawzX2, Boost Addict. 1.6t, 2.7tt, 4.2t 01/21/2020 at 21:08

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All STIs are 6 speed manual only, S209 included.

TheTurbochargedSquirrel > HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles 01/21/2020 at 21:10

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The value comes from the fact that it is the first S chassis Subaru we have gotten in the states. An S209 will always be worth more than a standard STI with 20k in mods. An S209 also has a warranty unlike a modded STI.

TheTurbochargedSquirrel > DipodomysDeserti 01/21/2020 at 21:12

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That is correct. They are built and given their VIN in the STI factory. Legally they are an STI, not a Subaru. 

gmporschenut also a fan of hondas > HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles 01/21/2020 at 21:34

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5.3 regular

6.2 premium

Neil drives a beetle and a fancy beetle > HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles 01/21/2020 at 21:39

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It’s a lot of cash but it’s actually a lot of upgrades for a special edition- both performance and visual(I feel like a lot of cars it’s one or the other). The bigger turbo, wheels, and wider body really add a lot especially considering you get to keep your warranty . Honestly, i don’t know that I’d buy it for the money but I wouldn’t blame someone who did.

gmporschenut also a fan of hondas > DipodomysDeserti 01/21/2020 at 21:47

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I think recommend, but same as the dodge 6.4.

My cousin bought a 6.2 silverado then complains about extra cost of premium. Maybe think before dropping almost 60k

BaconSandwich is tasty. > HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles 01/21/2020 at 21:52

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It better come with a lifetime supply of flat brimmed hats and vape pens at that price.

Dusty Ventures > Doge_Supreme drives a BRZ 01/21/2020 at 22:08

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I HAVE A MIGHTY NEED

wafflesnfalafel > HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles 01/21/2020 at 22:10

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yeah - limited production, specialty vehicle really only for folks that want the most fabulous WRX.  Basically double a stripper base WRX.  These will make a few people very happy.

Junkrat aka Rick Sanchez: Fury Road Edition > TheTurbochargedSquirrel 01/21/2020 at 22:31

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As a previous owner of a modified STI I concur with your comment. I would love to own a S chassis and if this was 15 years ago it would be sitting in my garage even at today’s price. I spent more than that on my blobeye. It was built by Crawford and still finicky on the street. Especially being the last EJ.

Baileyjlane > HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles 01/21/2020 at 22:49

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It is a 2019 model year not 2020, and only has 341 hp not 345 hp

Baileyjlane > HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles 01/21/2020 at 22:52

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Also the spoiler isn’t bigger it is different designed and carbon fiber, and the roof is also carbon fiber. Dealerships are only adding about $7,000 in mark up so total will be somewhere between $72,000 and $75 ,000

Baileyjlane > JawzX2, Boost Addict. 1.6t, 2.7tt, 4.2t 01/21/2020 at 22:54

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No there is no automatic like all STIs they will all be manual trasmission

Baileyjlane > HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles 01/21/2020 at 22:55

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The car Subaru needs to bring to the states is the Levorg and Levorg STI, it is basically a hatch Legacy and looks amazing

HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles > gmporschenut also a fan of hondas 01/21/2020 at 23:26

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I did not know that. 

gmporschenut also a fan of hondas > HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles 01/21/2020 at 23:55

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I should note the 6.2 is recommended premium. My cousin complains about paying premium and how it just retard timing. And I alwa y s think why’d you buy a tow rig if you aren’t towing?

DipodomysDeserti > HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles 01/22/2020 at 00:49

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These are Subies, not used M3s. They will be driven.

Rustholes-Are-Weight-Reduction > TheTurbochargedSquirrel 01/22/2020 at 01:31

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Good

Urambo Tauro > HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles 01/22/2020 at 07:45

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They were listing a $64k car for $1? That’s a hell of a deal. I’ll take two.

Tripper > HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles 01/22/2020 at 08:47

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I’m going to come out of my hater cave for this one. This car rules, price be damned. I’ve not driven one, but I have spent significant wheeltime in dozens of WRX/STi’s from stock to rocket ship . They are just so damned fun, I’ve never had a bad time.

The M2 argument is a good one and there are some others, but I doubt those cars are being cross shopped. They’re only making a few and they’ll (probably) hold most of their value.

I’m not saying I want one. My 64k is getting thrown at a 997.2. I’m saying I like it and I’m not offended by the price tag.

Nibby > HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles 01/22/2020 at 08:52

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nice

Textured Soy Protein > HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles 01/22/2020 at 09:46

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Your reaction is similar to all the other reactions of people in the comments of the articles when this was announced.

The WRX STI is built on the same assembly line as the regular WRX. But STI is also a separate subsidiary company of Subaru with its own manufacturing capabilities. They produce limited editions of Subarus where the body shells are shipped over to STI where they handle final assembly.

Yes, the S209 is basically a factory-modified WRX STI, but it’s a limited production, hand-built, full- on STI car where STI, not Subaru, is listed as the manufacturer on the VIN .

If you just want a WRX STI to beat up on the track, or a performance car that competes against other similarly priced performance cars, this isn’t the car for you. This is for people who are all about having the ultimate, from-the-factory, Subaru.

Textured Soy Protein > dogisbadob 01/22/2020 at 09:47

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STI has made a series of other S20_ cars just not sold in the US. Definitely not named after a Mustang or Mercedes.

SBA Thanks You For All The Fish > HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles 01/22/2020 at 10:02

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So, for that money, how many vape canisters does it ship with in the cargo area?

SBA Thanks You For All The Fish > DipodomysDeserti 01/22/2020 at 10:03

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Which version?  LQ4s all run on Regular, thankfully.  They are the most common GM 6.0L by far.

BoxerFanatic, troublesome iconoclast. > HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles 01/22/2020 at 10:26

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Know about it

Wouldn’t touch it with a 10 foot pole.

I will not reward Subaru for being somewhat to little for the money , way too late with a 15 year old drivetrain, in a jumped-up econo-sedan.

A proper $ 64K turbo flat-4 looks like THIS, and even they aren’t as well received as the ones that have 6-cylinders instead.

Starting from a base model, there might be enough budget left over for lightweight forged wheels and a GT4 pedestal wing, if those things are important.

DipodomysDeserti > SBA Thanks You For All The Fish 01/22/2020 at 10:59

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I think it was actually a 6.2L, not a 6.0L. Whatever they put in the last model big boy Silverado . Said to use 91 right on the gas cap.

SBA Thanks You For All The Fish > DipodomysDeserti 01/22/2020 at 11:16

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Yep, that makes sense. They’ve tended to run higher compression ratios on the 6.2s and wanted 91.

I think generally, with the mass market demand in mainstream trucks, they built the 6.0s (even up through Vortec Max 6.0) to run on regular only.

It’s a pain point this week as I drove halfway across the country in an A8 getting 26MPG, but needing PREMIUM ONLY, then turned around and drove my 6.0 L LQ4 tow rig back getting 13 MPG but running on Regular.

HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles > BoxerFanatic, troublesome iconoclast. 01/22/2020 at 11:16

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Yeah that’s the problem Cayman, M2 Competition, NSX, Supra, Any of the top tier  modern muscle cars, except the GT500.

There just so many other cars you could have for the money.

Highlander-Datsuns are Forever > HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles 01/22/2020 at 11:26

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I don’t disagree with you but cars that are factory modded have much more real value than ones that are modded in the aftermarket.

BoxerFanatic, troublesome iconoclast. > HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles 01/22/2020 at 12:40

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How about this one:

A Model 3 Performance would BLOW THE DOORS off a WRX STI, including the S209, until the battery depleted... and Model 3 Performance costs 58K, and 65K with full autopilot features. It is AWD. It is torque vectoring, and it is FASTER, the new hotness, better looking, and more practical. The technology isn’t even in the same area code. It might not handle as well, due to the weight... but the Porsche above will leave them all behind in terms of handling for 65 grand.

P eople buy Tesla for the electric aspect of either being economical, technical, or fast, or all three. Or virtue signaling, which is a separate issue.

Subaru is none of those. STI is not economical, the tech is old or underwhelming, and fast for 15 years ago, is not considered that fast.

Do you even want to hazard a guess at how much the difference in expense would be for a 15,000 mile year of electricity for the Tesla, or fuel for the port-injected Subaru, both driven a mix of cruising and aggressive performance driving?

Beyond that, there are SO many other cars that aren’t basically an Impreza, with an engine design that traces back to the early 1990s... among all of the used WRX STIs that have already been built in the last 15 years.

Even beyond all the cars one can get for 64 grand... the Mustang EB High Performance + Handling Pack and premium interior with all the options in the book... is TWENTY THOUSAND DOLLARS CHEAPER, for noticeably more power, better interior, better amenities, active exhaust, and magneride suspension that actually may be the most “sports car” the Mustang has ever been.

300- 350 lb-ft of torque from ~3000 to near redline, and a healthy amount below that from a higher compression direct injected motor that isn’t dog-slow before boost kicks in like the EJ has been. And the new active exhaust might actually sound a little better on the Mustang than the Subaru or the Porsche 718...

Oh, but AWD!!!! except that any 64 grand 1 of 209 unit rare cars isn’t going to see a drop of rain, let alone a rally stage... anyone looking to do that is going to use a USED WRX or WRX STI... chew them up, spit them out, and get another, because there is very little advantage to buying a new one for that purpose, and eat the depreciation on top of the wear and tear.

I wish Subaru would offer a cool STI-tuned 2.4T, DCCD, Bilstein, Brembo, BBS equipped rally car for the road, especially if it were a cool 3-door 2+2 coupe and 5-door Crosstrek pair, or something interesting. But that tech is 15 years old now, it should cost less than 45K, nowhere near 65K.

Subaru motorsports/performance is so thoroughly BONED. WRX might be acceptable, but even it isn’t exactly exciting anymore...

sport compact boy-racer sedans are a thing of the past.... and Subarus are actually FROM the past. Almost as mechanically old-news as Nissan Z.

They won’t upgrade their RWD coupe for some ridiculous reason, and they won’t actually build a WRX or STI-equivalent cross-over model like Crosstrek or Forester, when the market is SCREAMING that CUVs, including compact ones are selling, while Sedans are tanking pretty much across the board, except Tesla, who only sells sedans or tall sedans.

I f there are any performance enthusiasts left... they either want some performance baked into their practical daily family hauler CUV, or they want a dedicated performance car that doesn’t need to be practical at all, in exchange for slick coupe looks, or they want the car of the future, not the car of decades past that they’ve grown out of.

dogisbadob > Textured Soy Protein 01/22/2020 at 13:58

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oh ok :p

I thought Mustangs has chassis codes that were S and then three digits, and I think Mercedes still sells 4-cylinder S-classes in other countries

feather-throttle-not-hair > HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles 01/22/2020 at 15:59

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Yeah, I sort of like it as well. I’m not going to sit here and say “that’s not cool.”

But it’s definitely at least 10K too expensive, and even then...it’s really 20K too expensive. The STi has made almost the same power for well over a decade, the world has moved on. And while some people are still old school enough to drop 40K on an sti, that’s already pushing it from a value perspective.

I’m lucky enough to have recently just spent close to S209 on an M2 Competition. I think its telling that at absolutely no point have I looked at this thing and thought “Maybe it would’ve been fun to get the Subie instead?” It’s not even a question that’s crossed my mind despite the fact that JDM rally car type vehicles are very close to my heart.

HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles > DipodomysDeserti 01/22/2020 at 17:03

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Idk. It think it stops being just a Subaru when it cost as much as 2  base WRXs.

dogisbadob > BoxerFanatic, troublesome iconoclast. 01/22/2020 at 19:53

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Is Porsche service costs less than Subaru head gasket replacement ? :p

BoxerFanatic, troublesome iconoclast. > dogisbadob 01/23/2020 at 00:04

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Less than S209's ultra -exclusive requirement for parts overnight delivered from Japan.

Ash78, voting early and often > BoxerFanatic, troublesome iconoclast. 01/23/2020 at 09:47

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I wanted to ignore you after calling the Model 3 good looking, but I heard you out and made solid points :)

BoxerFanatic, troublesome iconoclast. > Ash78, voting early and often 01/23/2020 at 10:19

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Compared to the Porsches... Model 3 is a nearly-featureless bar of soap... which is saying something considering that Boxster looks a bit like a bar of soap, too. *

Compared to the WRX STI... Model 3 is a sleek, sexy, spaceship/aircraft-like vehicle .

*-Boxster is still a quite good looking, well formed, nicely proportioned roadster, the bar of soap thing is inherent in the fact that there is no “three-box” cabin aspect to the design when the roof is down,

T he car is visually half the height of other vehicles, and a single form from front to back, especially if the windscreen is a contrasting color like an add-on , or blacked out and de-emphasized, which I prefer.  

Teslas… I wish other design houses would look at it and remember what it means to be simply designed, and the antithesis of over-styled ridiculousness.

I wish Tesla would look at other design houses, see past the over-styling, and realize that a little bit more character can go a long way, and that doesn’t mean falcon doors, and it sure as hell doesn’t mean 8-bit graphics and a junior-high geometry lesson on four wheels, like Cybertruck.

That said, I do like Franz Von Hol zhausen’s Mazda designs, even before he went to Tesla, cars like Furai and Kabura. Maybe Musk is restricting the Tesla designs to be a bit less adventurous.

the 2006 Kabura Concept put forward cabin seating and door asymmetry long before Veloster was even an idea, and also before Pininfarina Cambiano concept in 2011.

A Model-3- like coupe, with Kabura’s 3+1 seating, and asymmetrical doors, at similar price points, (a bit less might be even better) would be a VERY interesting mainstream sport coupe from Tesla, since Roadster II is going to be Ferrari-money, if/when it comes out.

BoxerFanatic, troublesome iconoclast. > HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles 01/23/2020 at 21:59

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Counterpoint to the new one.

Especially considering the driving section.